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	<title>Comments on: Canada, why do they hate freedom?</title>
	<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/</link>
	<description>not just another anime blog</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ........</title>
		<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-167728</link>
		<dc:creator>........</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-167728</guid>
		<description>Its legal to own it but not legal to import or export it out of Canada</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its legal to own it but not legal to import or export it out of Canada</p>
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		<title>By: Tyciol</title>
		<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-167406</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyciol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-167406</guid>
		<description>I have studied this case more indepth since initially responding to it. It has come up on Wikipedia. The initial source of the report is the Anime News Network, who got it from news reports which have since no longer been hosted on the internet.

This guy did NOT have any IRL CP. It was ONLY lolicon. That's it. Or maybe some shota too, I dunno, but essentially, JUST cartoon images.

Also, the initial report of this post says all lightheartedly "oh no, 18 months without internet, 100 hours community service, $150, worth it?"

It's not. Not unless you're doing it to stand for something and don't mind upsetting your life. Firstly, this man was put on a Sex Offender registry for 5 years. 60 months. This will interfere with employment, and basically, it's going to give people a reason to go after you. I don't think sex offender registries are public like they are in the United States, but a lot of people are moving to make it this way.

Hopefully if that happens, it will only apply to future cases, as in people put on the registry after they decide to make it public, but that is NOT a guarantee. People will use this data to harass you and possibly threaten your life. I know because even in the absence of such registries, people are more than willing to do this if they just link up your views online regarding lolicon with your real life identity, even if you've never commited any crimes at all! It would only get worse as a sex offender.

But that's not the worst part. This guy got off EASY. The article that this report first references (which the shorter 7644 number redirects to) is this: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-10-20/canadian-sentenced-over-loli-porn-manga

You will note something in this: "New laws, in effect November 1st will require mandatory Jail time for Canadians convicted of importing child porn."

This would be applicable to lolicon. Basically, since he was sentenced October 20th, he just missed the bill. This isn't a matter of a wad of cash, community service and a registry anymore, but also your freedom and your record. It's a jailable offense now.

Since it is for 'importing' then I guess in theory as long as it was made in Canada or if you made it yourself it'd be okay, but I don't know how interested the police would be in the truth. As far as I'm concerned, a police officer has the potential to be as bigoted as the rest of the population. They want their convictions, they want to look good.

You might think 'how will they get a warrant'. How well do you all protect your online identities? Do you have enemies? If anyone even has a suspicion, that could be grounds enough for a warrant. Warrants are given easier than credit cards these days. Police don't want to search a home unless they're guaranteed to find something. I think they will bring lolicon with them, and put it on your computer. This way, if they don't find anything else (maybe you don't have any, maybe they think you do but it's hidden) then they'll 'find' what they brought, and convict you for it.

This is why computer data should not be admissable as evidence in court. This is why media should not be illegal. It is too easy to bend the truth for people's secret motivations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have studied this case more indepth since initially responding to it. It has come up on Wikipedia. The initial source of the report is the Anime News Network, who got it from news reports which have since no longer been hosted on the internet.</p>
<p>This guy did NOT have any IRL CP. It was ONLY lolicon. That&#8217;s it. Or maybe some shota too, I dunno, but essentially, JUST cartoon images.</p>
<p>Also, the initial report of this post says all lightheartedly &#8220;oh no, 18 months without internet, 100 hours community service, $150, worth it?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not. Not unless you&#8217;re doing it to stand for something and don&#8217;t mind upsetting your life. Firstly, this man was put on a Sex Offender registry for 5 years. 60 months. This will interfere with employment, and basically, it&#8217;s going to give people a reason to go after you. I don&#8217;t think sex offender registries are public like they are in the United States, but a lot of people are moving to make it this way.</p>
<p>Hopefully if that happens, it will only apply to future cases, as in people put on the registry after they decide to make it public, but that is NOT a guarantee. People will use this data to harass you and possibly threaten your life. I know because even in the absence of such registries, people are more than willing to do this if they just link up your views online regarding lolicon with your real life identity, even if you&#8217;ve never commited any crimes at all! It would only get worse as a sex offender.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not the worst part. This guy got off EASY. The article that this report first references (which the shorter 7644 number redirects to) is this: <a href="http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-10-20/canadian-sentenced-over-loli-porn-manga" rel="nofollow">http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-10-20/canadian-sentenced-over-loli-porn-manga</a></p>
<p>You will note something in this: &#8220;New laws, in effect November 1st will require mandatory Jail time for Canadians convicted of importing child porn.&#8221;</p>
<p>This would be applicable to lolicon. Basically, since he was sentenced October 20th, he just missed the bill. This isn&#8217;t a matter of a wad of cash, community service and a registry anymore, but also your freedom and your record. It&#8217;s a jailable offense now.</p>
<p>Since it is for &#8216;importing&#8217; then I guess in theory as long as it was made in Canada or if you made it yourself it&#8217;d be okay, but I don&#8217;t know how interested the police would be in the truth. As far as I&#8217;m concerned, a police officer has the potential to be as bigoted as the rest of the population. They want their convictions, they want to look good.</p>
<p>You might think &#8216;how will they get a warrant&#8217;. How well do you all protect your online identities? Do you have enemies? If anyone even has a suspicion, that could be grounds enough for a warrant. Warrants are given easier than credit cards these days. Police don&#8217;t want to search a home unless they&#8217;re guaranteed to find something. I think they will bring lolicon with them, and put it on your computer. This way, if they don&#8217;t find anything else (maybe you don&#8217;t have any, maybe they think you do but it&#8217;s hidden) then they&#8217;ll &#8216;find&#8217; what they brought, and convict you for it.</p>
<p>This is why computer data should not be admissable as evidence in court. This is why media should not be illegal. It is too easy to bend the truth for people&#8217;s secret motivations.</p>
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		<title>By: newfinadian</title>
		<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-129574</link>
		<dc:creator>newfinadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-129574</guid>
		<description>this is a bunch of bull shizit and i think the a$$ fu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a bunch of bull shizit and i think the a$$ fu</p>
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		<title>By: Tyciol</title>
		<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-129496</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyciol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-129496</guid>
		<description>Odds are this guy just was ignorant of the laws against cartoon porn.

However... didn't he have real CP too? No way he's ignorant of that. He should be convicted for breaking the law there. Even if it's kind of a BS law (it should be illegal to fund it, but not to steal/share it) it's still the law and you should obey it. It obviously shows a lack of control there.

That being said, it still sucks using lolicon stuff to compound criminal charges. Sure, stack as much as possible on a sentence, but do it with legitimately bad stuff with some kind of apparent victim. The law was written to avoid stuff like people professionally sketching CP images of real kids, not for entirely fictional stuff made up of popular characters like Cardcaptor Sakura we all know is fake. I can't think of any manga/anime-style drawn character you'd ever confuse as real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odds are this guy just was ignorant of the laws against cartoon porn.</p>
<p>However&#8230; didn&#8217;t he have real CP too? No way he&#8217;s ignorant of that. He should be convicted for breaking the law there. Even if it&#8217;s kind of a BS law (it should be illegal to fund it, but not to steal/share it) it&#8217;s still the law and you should obey it. It obviously shows a lack of control there.</p>
<p>That being said, it still sucks using lolicon stuff to compound criminal charges. Sure, stack as much as possible on a sentence, but do it with legitimately bad stuff with some kind of apparent victim. The law was written to avoid stuff like people professionally sketching CP images of real kids, not for entirely fictional stuff made up of popular characters like Cardcaptor Sakura we all know is fake. I can&#8217;t think of any manga/anime-style drawn character you&#8217;d ever confuse as real.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert .Canada.</title>
		<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-129356</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert .Canada.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-129356</guid>
		<description>I am Canadian and ya we got some stupid stuff here, like if you fish without a license they can take ur house and charge you a few Thousand, and take ur house.

but it's not like every country does not have there stupid laws. also i drought that they would do all that to him unless he has a bad track record.

BTW huge lolicon myself :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Canadian and ya we got some stupid stuff here, like if you fish without a license they can take ur house and charge you a few Thousand, and take ur house.</p>
<p>but it&#8217;s not like every country does not have there stupid laws. also i drought that they would do all that to him unless he has a bad track record.</p>
<p>BTW huge lolicon myself <img src='http://www.lolitron.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: B.O.B.</title>
		<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-125159</link>
		<dc:creator>B.O.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-125159</guid>
		<description>well. i said alot more than that... but this forum thing cut me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well. i said alot more than that&#8230; but this forum thing cut me off.</p>
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		<title>By: B.O.B.</title>
		<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-125158</link>
		<dc:creator>B.O.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-125158</guid>
		<description>alright. i love alot of things canada brought here... bacon is the biggest. i LOVE bacon lol. and beer... didnt the germans make that? &#62;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alright. i love alot of things canada brought here&#8230; bacon is the biggest. i LOVE bacon lol. and beer&#8230; didnt the germans make that? &gt;.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-123156</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-123156</guid>
		<description>love it.  beautiful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love it.  beautiful</p>
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		<title>By: Perv v3.4</title>
		<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-119147</link>
		<dc:creator>Perv v3.4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 13:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-119147</guid>
		<description>In reality you shouldn't be able to arrest someone for loli hentai

Point 1: The age issue. Most loli anime and manga don't give a specific age for their loli characters. That being said you could by all rights claim that the characters are just underdeveloped 18 year olds.

Point 2: It's just cartoons. Kiddy porn laws were made to protect underage children from abuse but looking at loli hentai puts no little children in any kind of danger. 

Point 3: Hentai = Kiddy porn. From another point of view most hentai depicts high school girls under the age of 18. So under this condition a vast majority of hentai should be banned from Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reality you shouldn&#8217;t be able to arrest someone for loli hentai</p>
<p>Point 1: The age issue. Most loli anime and manga don&#8217;t give a specific age for their loli characters. That being said you could by all rights claim that the characters are just underdeveloped 18 year olds.</p>
<p>Point 2: It&#8217;s just cartoons. Kiddy porn laws were made to protect underage children from abuse but looking at loli hentai puts no little children in any kind of danger. </p>
<p>Point 3: Hentai = Kiddy porn. From another point of view most hentai depicts high school girls under the age of 18. So under this condition a vast majority of hentai should be banned from Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: Another proud Canadian</title>
		<link>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-97739</link>
		<dc:creator>Another proud Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 05:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lolitron.org/2005/10/25/canada-why-do-they-hate-freedom/#comment-97739</guid>
		<description>you know what REALLY grinds my gears AMERICA…….YOU!!! F**K YOU!!!!!!


I hear that man Canada may not be perfect but $10 a gram for weed and free health care and cute french girls and beavers and real beer and canoes and the Atlantic provinces fuckin' A!  Or rather fuckin "eh"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know what REALLY grinds my gears AMERICA…….YOU!!! F**K YOU!!!!!!</p>
<p>I hear that man Canada may not be perfect but $10 a gram for weed and free health care and cute french girls and beavers and real beer and canoes and the Atlantic provinces fuckin&#8217; A!  Or rather fuckin &#8220;eh&#8221;</p>
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